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Club News => AMCCA Members Chat Room => Topic started by: 68PONY on August 20, 2009, 07:55:55 PM
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;w What turned into a simple engine rebuild , shhhhhhhh don't tell the missus.
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Your gonna cop it over the shades of pink...;x
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Originally posted by Muzzy 66
Your gonna cop it over the shades of pink...;x
i dunno
Pink tends to suit a Mustang well :P
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I thought fibreglass frontends were light, but paper frontend, mate she's going to scream:)
David.
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Originally posted by Muzzy 66
Your gonna cop it over the shades of pink...;x
You better believe it. ;17
You have it all wrong 68pony. When we go drag dacing, it's to find out how fast we can do the 1/4 of a mile in, not who can make their car the campist............ sweety!
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More pics , will update as the build continues , still waiting for the AFR heads to arrive from US , the bottom end will be ready some time next week.
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Sorry cpu the fish arn't hungry today .
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Cowards. LOL!
Looks good. Here is a special club shirt for you (http://amcca.org.au/signatures/usmusclecars01.jpg) :D ;16
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I'm still feeling guilty for posting the pic from drag day so I let that one slide ;x;x;x
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All very brave.....
Seeing how he gave it to the old engine up the Hunter.....
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Originally posted by joe74ta
I'm still feeling guilty for posting the pic from drag day so I let that one slide ;x;x;x
Cmon Joe just think of all those times you had to put with Chickenman jokes.
Dont be shy tell us what you think, or is it because theres a rumour you are going to buy a Mustang;w
David.
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Originally posted by GTA390
...........or is it because theres a rumour you are going to buy a Mustang;w
David.
Have I told you guys that Joe is about to get Super Moderator access to the Forum once he finishes his training?????????
I can see some avatars being edited soon ;17 ;17
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Looking good Chris!!!
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Heads have arrived, 1st on the kill list , a certain chicken that needs there feathers plucked ;x
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Nice Chris they look like Pontiac heads only smaller
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Originally posted by joe74ta
Nice Chris they look like Pontiac heads only smaller
Joe, i think you have bitten on that one.;w
David.
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Originally posted by GTA390
Originally posted by joe74ta
Nice Chris they look like Pontiac heads only smaller
Joe, i think you have bitten on that one.;w
David.
;x;x;x don't you love it when there biting , makes fishing so much more enjoyable ;x
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Some donk shots
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should have the short motor by friday-monday
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Geeez that block looks a bit dirty & rusty???? Surely that would affect performance? That must be a common thing with Rustangs!!!!;16
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Looking good Hooligan. One question. The welsh plug that is behind the flywheel, is that a steel one shown there? If it is would it not be better to change it to a brass one?
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The plug above the seal (below in picture ) is actually a cam plug and will have oil behind it, and i think ,ill have to check ,its a stainlees plug anyway , brass one's are used when there is water behind them
cheers chris.
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Shows you how much I know about Ford engines. LOL!!
Bet ya cant wait to get the beast back on the road.
I want a head start if we end up at the track again.
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I tell ya what , ill unplug 2 leads for you cpu , after all you did do a 13.2 ,so can't take to many chances ;x, but ill un plug 6 leads for the birdman , cause he needs all the help he can get!;x;x
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looks good Chris ............. ( for a F%rd )
sorry tried not to write that bit it just sliped out.
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Not Long now I guess, Do you have any finger nails left?
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Where did you get the block work done Chris ?
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Craig ,parry's in arncliffe did the block , they have been great , they let me pop in and see for my self as they were building , they were building a 427 cleveland at the same time , that was impressive , but in saying that when the block came back steve and pete from sr took no chances and checked everything and were extremely happy , hopefully we will have broom broom on monday arvo or tuesday
Originally posted by heven67
Not Long now I guess, Do you have any finger nails left?
Well the finger nails are pretty filthy , contrary to what some may think i have been getting my hands dirty on this project , i even helped pete fit the donk and been cleaning parts , wiring , painting brackets ,radiator ,fitted transmission cooler and some engine bay bits , so the finger nails arn't to tasty at the moment. (http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t200/68pony/hmm3grin.gif)
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Craig Parry, I guess he is the son of Les who was very well known back in the 70's 80's when I use to tinker with rebuilds. Good choice if he is like his dad.
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Originally posted by GT SALLY
Craig Parry, I guess he is the son of Les who was very well known back in the 70's 80's when I use to tinker with rebuilds. Good choice if he is like his dad.
yep we used to get the machine work done for our race car there
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Originally posted by GT SALLY
Craig Parry, I guess he is the son of Les who was very well known back in the 70's 80's when I use to tinker with rebuilds. Good choice if he is like his dad.
sorry gt sally , when i said craig ,i was refuring to craig (lazy69) who asked me where i was getting the block done , yes the son has taken over , and do you think i can remember his name ;17 to many early mornings , the old fella still hangs around sometimes , he was there when i poped in.
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Originally posted by 68PONY
Craig ,parry's in arncliffe did the block , they have been great , they let me pop in and see for my self as they were building , they were building a 427 cleveland at the same time , that was impressive , but in saying that when the block came back steve and pete from sr took no chances and checked everything and were extremely happy , hopefully we will have broom broom on monday arvo or tuesday
Originally posted by heven67
Not Long now I guess, Do you have any finger nails left?
Well the finger nails are pretty filthy , contrary to what some may think i have been getting my hands dirty on this project , i even helped pete fit the donk and been cleaning parts , wiring , painting brackets ,radiator ,fitted transmission cooler and some engine bay bits , so the finger nails arn't to tasty at the moment. (http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t200/68pony/hmm3grin.gif)
Yeh chris has been hanging around like a bad smell the last few weeks;x
But he has been a help with the cleaning and painting, he just fitted a round rubber gromet into an oval hole in the firewall which he was pretty happy with ;x;x;x
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Yeh chris has been hanging around like a bad smell the last few weeks;x
But he has been a help with the cleaning and painting, he just fitted a round rubber gromet into an oval hole in the firewall which he was pretty happy with ;x;x;x [/quote]
Did he paint the down pipes as well?
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Originally posted by heven67
Yeh chris has been hanging around like a bad smell the last few weeks;x
But he has been a help with the cleaning and painting, he just fitted a round rubber gromet into an oval hole in the firewall which he was pretty happy with ;x;x;x
Did he paint the down pipes as well? [/quote]
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Not long now Chris and you'll be happy as,
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and listening to that new donk purrin'
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and getting the
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We have ignition!
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sounds meaty!
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Your turn now Andy, hurry up! ;8
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Chris took the car this afternoon to run her in, but from what it feels like so far with throttle response and torque this car is ballistic!!! which is good to see after all the effort that went in to it.
We will post the final results as soon as its run in.
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Sounds like it may have a nut loose behind the wheel soon!
On ya Guys, the black on red looks great.
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Superb!!! Can't wait to go for a run Chris.
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Yep all i wanted was a neat engine bay , i got that plus more , pete from SR has done a great job , and yes hev the black on red looks great but the chrome montecarlo bar and the zinc plated hinges and bolts just top it off, im rapt , OH! the car goes alright to ;12
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............ OH! the car goes alright to ;12
Yeah, right! Don't hold back!
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Okay windsor owners if you rebuild your motor DO NOT FIT A HIGH VOLUME OIL PUMP doing so will almost certainly kill your distributor gear as i recently found out , not only will it kill the dizzy gear in turn that will also kill the cam gear , some one decided to fit one (HIGH VOLUME OIL PUMP)to my sump without doing there homework , can i add sr performance did not build the bottom end including the sump , I am in no way putting down anyone , it was a simple f@ck up and will be fixed by those concerned and appoligies have been made , new cam and dizzy gear has been orded ,new standard oil pump has been fitted , same type as originally in sump , dam was looking forward to taking it to the nationals , ah well there is always next year.
cheers chris.
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Sorry to here that Chris you must feel gutted;K
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I know how you feel! :mad:
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That sucks. Sorry to hear that.
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Thought you may be interested. I did a little digging around on this and came across this from
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Are high volume oil pumps OK to run on the street?
We get asked this one from time to time. It depends on the engine. A Chevy engine can use a high volume oil pump just fine where most small block and even some big block Ford's have trouble running one. Why? Some people say that a high volume oil pump can pump all of the oil to the top of the motor and basically empty out the oil pan before it can all drain back again. Yeah right, no way! A high volume oil pump only pumps about 20% to 30% more oil. So that would mean that your stock pump is only 20 or 30% away from sucking your oil pan dry? I don't think so. The real reason is this: Chevy's use a larger distributor gear than a Ford, in fact, it's about twice the size. The distributor gear is what takes the load of spinning the oil pump. Ford gears tend to get eaten-up because they just can't take the load of a high volume oil pump. Once you eat-up a distributor gear, it is pretty much disaster for the cam gear as well plus all of that metal going through the engine doesn't help things either. We tend to use stock oil pumps on Ford's and high volume pumps on Chevy's, as far as stock and performance street engines go. On race Ford engines, we run high volume pumps and just keep a close eye on the distributor gear for premature wear.
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Originally posted by cpu
Thought you may be interested. I did a little digging around on this and came across this from
(http://www.badasscars.com/site_images/top_logo.jpg)
Are high volume oil pumps OK to run on the street?
We get asked this one from time to time. It depends on the engine. A Chevy engine can use a high volume oil pump just fine where most small block and even some big block Ford's have trouble running one. Why? Some people say that a high volume oil pump can pump all of the oil to the top of the motor and basically empty out the oil pan before it can all drain back again. Yeah right, no way! A high volume oil pump only pumps about 20% to 30% more oil. So that would mean that your stock pump is only 20 or 30% away from sucking your oil pan dry? I don't think so. The real reason is this: Chevy's use a larger distributor gear than a Ford, in fact, it's about twice the size. The distributor gear is what takes the load of spinning the oil pump. Ford gears tend to get eaten-up because they just can't take the load of a high volume oil pump. Once you eat-up a distributor gear, it is pretty much disaster for the cam gear as well plus all of that metal going through the engine doesn't help things either. We tend to use stock oil pumps on Ford's and high volume pumps on Chevy's, as far as stock and performance street engines go. On race Ford engines, we run high volume pumps and just keep a close eye on the distributor gear for premature wear.
YEP! , cpu it took 5 minutes of research for me to find out , what you have posted is exactly what happened to me , gutted is a understatement, what i don't understand is why didn't the experts know, my previous motor has a stock oil pump and did the job fine with no issues of dizzy wear.
If you are going to run a hv pump you need to oversize the hole that feeds the dizzy gear oil ,this keeps the gear cooler .
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:mad: crap crap double crap. .........:mad:
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Bad news Chris sorry to hear however, I ran one for 7 years without an issue.
Is it just a roller cam thing or is it all cam types in windsor's?
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Originally posted by two89w
Bad news Chris sorry to hear however, I ran one for 7 years without an issue.
Is it just a roller cam thing or is it all cam types in windsor's?
high dave , nothing to do with cam but they might have changed the spring that controlls pressure on your pump to reduce pressure and they might have drilled out the galley that feeds oil to the dizzy gear , none of that was done to mine all in all you don't need a high volume pump unless you run big bearing clearances for racing (which i don't )and if you are going to rev over 7000rpm , with 408 cubes this engine was not desighned to rev more than 6000-6300 , im running a dual plane manifold (rpm air gap) and a 750vac carby ,it will make a sh@t lot of power and torque under 6000rpm , if you do the reaserch you will find excess oil pressure on a ford windsor can and will chew dizzy gears and cam gears, not saying you can't run a high volume oil pump but once you modify them for a ford windsor they don't have much more pressure than a stock one.
the dizzy gears on chevs are twice the size and don't have this problem.
cheers chris.
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Sorry to hear your havin troubles Chris.. That sux... hopefully it'll b fixed soon...;8
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So now its apart again, are you sticking with the same size cam?
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Originally posted by two89w
So now its apart again, are you sticking with the same size cam?
Yes. 242/248@50 ,608/614 lift, 110lsa ,solid roller , more than enough.
by the way click on link http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/hdrp_0607_joe_sherman_built_ford_windsor/photo_04.html
800hp with standard pump 15-30 psi at idle and 50-60psi at 9000rpm, mine had 50 psi at idle ,what were they thinking.
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I am in no way trying to compete here but mine had 70psi at (normal street driving) idle and about 90psi cold and about 50psi all day long at Wakefield pk ;w ......Maybe I was blessed ;4
When do we get to see the dyno run on video? ;11
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Originally posted by two89w
I am in no way trying to compete here but mine had 70psi at (normal street driving) idle and about 90psi cold and about 50psi all day long at Wakefield pk ;w ......Maybe I was blessed ;4
When do we get to see the dyno run on video? ;11
No maybe you had someone that new more about ford engines build yours , ive read that drilling the oil gallery that feeds the dizzy gear can make a big difference ,you might have had loose clearances due to you were racing it , most of the cam manufacturers do not recomend using HV oil pumps for ford small blocks, as for dyno , when they have sorted this issue and ive done at least 1000ks
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Originally posted by 69DirtyRat
Come on 68showPONY, we can have ourselves a gun fight!
Love to andy but the tail shaft snapped in half on the dyno and has made a mess under the car , smashed my magna flow mufflers riped a 1 foot long 1 inch wide gash under the floor , destroyed the rear transmission housing , the car is now at my transmission mechanic , ill be going tomorrow morning to strip the interior so we can repair the rip on the floor , BTW it made 407hp @wheels on the first power run when it snapped.
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;w That sucks. ;K to hear that. Not meaning to go off topic, you going to put tailshaft straps in when ya done?
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Hi cpu a tail shaft loop would not have helped as it snapped in the middle , it was the section on the diff side that did the most of the damage .
As for fitting a tail shaft loop , i basicly have one , there is a plate on convertibles that goes from left to right under where the tail shaft goes into the box where the uni's are which acts as a loop.
cheers chris.
ps. tail shaft loops are more desighned for when uni's fail.
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Dyno's have a habit of finding the weakest link. I had a Turbo 350 case break in half on a dyno & took out the converter & tailshaft with it. Have been very nervous every time it has been on a dyno since then.
407RWHP is pretty good going.