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Hammer:

--- Quote from: bonnevista link=topic=4071.msg25605#msg25605 ---Mike, it's a '72 Grand Ville. It's been my daily ride for the last 9 years.
It served a faithfull 235,350 miles.
--- End quote ---
You got that many miles out of an engine that was Engineered in the 70's to only last less than 100,000 miles.  You must have taken excellent care of that motor!

Sorry, about mistaking your Grand Ville from a regular Bonneville.  There is a significant difference as the Grand Ville's were much more luxurious than the straight end Bonnevilles in the B-body GM series.  The wheel base alone made them ride like you were running on a cloud all the time....so smooth.  My best friend in high school owned a 72 Catalina and it rode like a dream.  Much like your ride there.  

The pictures you have for your car must have been taken at 20 feet my friend as that car of yours looks spectacular.  And the color is stunning.  I would never go back to the original color mate.  She is a beauty.  

:way:    

us2oz:
Hi Mike,
 Welcome to the AMCCA forum & its nice to have some input from a fellow Musclecar enthusiast based in the homeland of our hobby!!
 I have just returned from a one month stay in Georgia & man it was cold there!!Also went to Az & purchased a couple of cars for my business here which is Micks USMusclecars & Classics.One of those cars is a 81 TransAm Pacecar that I think Joe may of mentioned to you.The odd thing is it has the 80 pace car graphics?so I am keen to authenticate this car & establish its pedigreee as  genuine pace car,Joe tells me"Your The Man"when it comes to the Firebirds.Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers Mick

BRD O PREY:
Hi Mick,

I was reading your post about your 81 pace car. The best and only way to establish it pedigree is to contact Pontiac Historical Society. For around $100.00 U.S., you can get a window sticker, the shipping info, date ordered, and from dealership. I have used them many times. I have owned transams since 1978, it was my first new car, black ttops and WS6 option. It now lives in Newcastle. Back in the day the transam was the only car a that any red blooded American boy would even think about buying. I hope this helps, the pace car was the last really great option that they put on the Transam before the end of '81. Good choice.

Regards
Seppo

us2oz:
Hey Seppo thanks for that, yes I will definatley do that in the near future, the tag all reads good has the Y85 option and all the necessary numbers for the recaro interior etc. would just be nice to have the docs to go with it.

Cheers Mick


[Edited on 9-2-11 by us2oz]

Hammer:
Mick, thank you for the warm welcome here and the tip of the hat from my good friend Joe74ta.  (Joe I will not let you down mate).

There are a few ways to verify your car is actual 1981 Pace car.  Seppo is absolutely correct that one way is obtaining the PHS (aka Pontiac Historical Services) Documents from my good friend Jim Mattison the owner of PHS.  Here is a recent picture of Jim and I together.  

Oh, and here is one of me and John Schinella who was the Chief Design Engineer at General motors and was the only one responsible for the invention of the hood bird in 1973 that went into production as an option.


But enough about who I know.........and back to your question.

The PHS documents are one way of Proof you have a 1981 Pace car.  There is a second but it requires removing the back seat of the car and searching for an 22cm by 28cm Sheet of paper.  That is called a build sheet and is like gold for these cars.  It indicates EVERYTHING that was put on the car from the factory.  Make a copy of it if you find it and put it away for safe keeping mate.  You do not want to lose the original.  If the build sheet is not behind the rear seat it has been found under the front seat in the mesh lining and the last place they always left a build sheet was above the gas tank.  The build sheet is even more important than the PHS if you can find it.  

Here is what a Build Sheet looks like- This one is pink because this build sheet for this car was the first Y84 which GM specially made for Burt Reynolds.  Eventually over the years this car was sold too the owner of National Parts Depot and is proudly on Display at National Parts Depot's home office in Florida.  
 

GM used a pink build sheet to indicate to the production line a new change but most build sheets were white.  

We all know mate that a lot can happen over 30 some years and interior changes as well as exterior paint alterations were common.  Therefore, although your car may seem to have all the aspects of an 80 Pace car it was obvious the previous owner along the lines wanted the car to look like that as it DID NOT come that way from a perfectly good GM factory.  

I hope this helps.  

P.S. It should have Recaro seats too.   Please keep in mind my expertise as a judge, as I worked for Trans Am Specialties at one point in my career, was for the Firebirds from 1969 to 1981. I can decode your cowl tag data information for you if you post it.  

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